ok so what are you thinking for a brutix?

aar and 1600?

upon reflection the aar might be usefull with a buffer tank...

Pretty much this. This whole set of changes seems like just throwing a weird, needlessly tweaky and kinda useless new module and yet another batch of one-off "must train to V" skills at the problem instead of just making a balance pass on the fundamentals.

If you wanted to get armor tanking back on track, you should have been looking at fundamentals like:

- Having the rep hit at the start instead of the end of the cycle
- Making standard reppers run faster with the same cap use, or just rep more
- Buffing hull active rep bonuses across the board to 10%
- Buffing base armor resist values across the board to give armor tanking some sort of basis for seriously competing with shield features like passive recharge and dual/triple/quad/lolASB tanking

If you wanted to get clever dealing with the speed disparity, how about something really nice like a role bonus for some hulls that negates 80% of the armor rig / plate speed penalty for the designated buffer tank / PvP boats?

As it is, this doesn't feel like "balance" at all, just a random set of things that will bring a bunch of unintended consequences, aggravate the already out of control SP bloat that is going on with the "rebalancing," and not even touch the fundamental issues that have been discussed over and over here for ages.

awesome.. but I think there is one more little thing to make active armortanking in line with active shield tanking..


..teh pirate implant set

It's not even competitive. That gets it into tanking range of a shield-tanked Myrm, but it then does ridiculously low damage compared to the shield Myrm (which still tanks a bit more DPS while fitting three Drone Damage Amps). It's really, really sad that a Myrm with every single low slot, every rig, and half it's med slots devoted to tank still doens't quite tank as well as a shield-tanked Myrm with half of its low slots devoted to Drone Damage Amps. The only reason anyone ever armor-tanks a Myrm is they foolishly read the description and thought that rep bonus should get used, but never actually ran the numbers.

The large armor reps aren't that great either, even fitting requirements aside.

Gotta say, I am intrigued by the changes.

I'm now even more interested in seeing what happens with the Hype and the Domi when you get around to balancing Battleships.

I usually fit active armor tank ships with min 2 reps.. so more like an AAR + a standard rep fit ..
Don't be fool.. becouse only 1 can fit by AAR u still can fit standard armor reps.

(edit: also, armor rep cyrcle longer, so u can burst tank longer with AAR than ASB)

2.25*crap != good?

MAAR: 742.5 hp / 9s * 9 = 6682 hp
XLASB: 980 hp / 5s * 9 = 8820 hp

Please note that this is indeed on an armor rep-bonused ship.

AAR reps come at the end of much longer cycle, which makes it considerably harder to use economically compared to ASB. Maybe this is a way to balance the fact that they also rep less and can be completely neuted out, idk.

Both fit without gimping "your fittings", with the difference that you can fit two XLASBs if you are willing to "gimp the ship"- which in this case means you will have more tank and dps than an armor fit.

vOv

Hurr hurr, I did just that. You know why? You can't fit Large Reppers on BCs and cruisers, but you can fit XLASBs.

Yes, because it's useless being able to tank tons of stuff if you you do know damage unless you're flying industrial ships. Only having a scram simply means anything with a AB or even an mwd fit with a web can escape you.

[quote=Roime]7.5% hull bonus is still underwhelming :)

In case it has not been suggested yet
resists rigs should also be moved to power grid penalty they are currently rarely used and that would be just the thing to make them useful